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the only real thing that has changed with my npc's profile is his powers his history will be alterd at a later date when i figure out what im gonan do with him :roll: i allready got a rought idea but i just gotta buff them out

this post is to basicley see what everyone thinks of his new powers

Demon

Male

Vincent De La Rocha

Vincent, Vinnie, Vin, kid

18th March, 1989 - UNKNOWN

DESCRIPTION:
He is tall, lightly tanned and of medium build with brown hair and blue eyes. His demon form is that of a tall horned skinny demon , the skin colouration on the demon is that of purple, white and black in different variations throughout his body

vincents history remins unchanged he still knows noting of who his mother was and why she abandoned him
BACKGROUND:
Vincent was abandoned at birth and was raised in an orphanage run by catholic nuns. He was always the problem child and when anything went missing he always got the blame. As a result he was often punished, some times it was only a few Hail Mary’s, other times it was physical or even mental torture.

Because he was possessed by a demon (or that’s what the nuns said) his powers were obvious at a young age. It started off as pencils moving by themselves then onto heavier items. Vincent finally ran away from the orphanage but not before crushing the Mother Superior under the statue of the Virgin Mary.

He was a street kid until the age of 13, running errands for the local drug dealers, pimps and anyone else who would pay him. He eventually got into a really bad crowd of vampires who pretty much made him their personal blood bank. They fed from him anytime they wanted and sent him to do whatever they wanted. He finally met James when the vampires he was living with attacked James in the street because the leader knew his past. James took out most of the vamps and was about to be killed him until Vincent staked the lead vampire. James took a liking to the kid and James been looking after him ever since.

POWERS/ABILITIES:

Telekinesis ~
Vincent has the power to move and levitate objects using only his mind. He doesn’t have to be looking at the object but it helps. He mostly uses his hands to control the motion of the object, his newley found demonic powers have increased his powers to the point where he no longer needs his hand device to fully master his telekinesis he just needs to shift into his demon form to reveil his full potential
Telepathy ~
Vincent has very limited Telepathic powers he can only read thoughts that people are openly broadcasting e.g. like what they are thinking and thinking about hard like someone is thinking I’m going to kill that woman and it is in the front of there mind he will be able to read it but if they are repressing it he cannot read it. He also has the ability to release the fear hormone in most creatures but just because a creature is scared does not mean it still won’t rip you apart.

The only new powers Vincent as really acquired with his newly found demonic form is that of inhuman strength and regeneration although his mystical regeneration is tied to weather or not he feeds on souls which quickly brings me to his next power, Vincent can only survive in the living realm if he devours the souls of other living creatures with every soul he eats he gains in strength and power, which ever creature he temporary gains its power e.g. he rips the soul out of a angel he gains some angelic powers for 20 minuets but as he uses the powers they dissipate but his metabolism burns up the souls faster than he can consume so his strength is never really excides his natural abilities, the reason the souls disagree so quickly is because the creature who gave him his demonic powers also feeds on the same souls as Vincent with eat soul taken Vincent feeds on only a little part of the soul as most of it is transferred to the creature Zhyzhak, two powers Vincent is not aware of yet is the ability to Sip on a persons soul rather than totally consume it sipping on a persons soul allows for Vincent to gain nourishment from a victim but not acutely to kill them the process of sipping usually leaves the victim unconscious and wakening up with a rather bad head ache, another power that Vincent is not fully aware is that of his ability to shift between the realm of the living and the realm of the dead this power is a very dangerous one because once in the realm of the dead Vincent is no longer tied to the rules of mortality , creatures stalk the land of the dead hunting for lost souls and Vincent may one day be caught by the dark hunters as they are known to the lost souls in realm of the dead , the realm of the dead looks exactly like living realm but more twisted and dark this is where the lost souls go all the ghosts, wraths and other such unlucky spirits

ITEMS:
Vincent owns a large wardrobe and a very special item that was given to him by James, it’s a telekinetic hand device that significantly increases his telekinetic power.

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Heather's picture

Jamie's mentioned that he's thinking of switching PCs from James to Vincent, and since Vincent has recently undergone this transformation I suggested Jamie write up the differences so we could check it out before Vincent becomes the PC - kinda like Matt writing up Kyle, and Robin writing up Marcus for us.

So any comments anyone has about the new, improved Vincent - post 'em here.

So far as I can see, it seems reasonable enough. There are enough limitations that he's not going to be uber-powerful, at least. The whole swapping between realms of the living and the dead could be quite interesting - we might see some funky posts coming out of that story element. :)

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im not realy changing him to my pc as such but im going to be usieng two charators in mid season one being vince and another being a descendant which reminds me i gotta write his profiel up god i hate writing profiles

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Hola-Meg-a-Cola's picture

That reminds me; I still have that profile of yours that you asked me to save, Jamie.

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This has kind of stuck in my craw of late.

Lose the 'human form'. If Vincent died and was re-born then he isn't human any longer. Embrace that. Be a demon in all your spikely glory.

None of the PC demons are purely demon, they are all humans with a demon form. For vincent, I suggest that you leave the human form at the door and be a demon all the way.

The only reason to have a human form is to blend with humans. But in LA demons are regularly accepted as any of a number of things: Actors in a television show, or costumed characters for a promotion. Play with that and be a demon.

Secondly this is a spiky demon with superior strength and regeneration who eats souls. Sounds like Victor to me. Even by adding the Telekinesis and Telepathy it doesn't make him that much different. I would rather you lost the 'soul eating' ability, to be honest.

Actually it isn't the 'soul eating' that I want you to lose as much as it is the ability to use the powers of the soul after you eat it. Here is why...
Who has souls and who doesn't?? Who says angels have souls (to use your example)? Which demons have souls? Which humans have sold thiers or which ones can defend theirs?

I can see arguments arising from how this power is used, and I'd rather cut that off at the pass.

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hum ok ive been thinking about what dave said and yea i think ill lose the soul eating abalitey but what if i changed it to a persons life force instead of takeing there soul mabey the just takes there living enegry and yea i can see why using the powers of the creatures vince drains would annoy you so am going to lose that and the soul thing but i gotta insist that vince keeps his human form becuase a later part in the story it turns out that the creature Zhyzhak never gave vince his powers ,vince was born with them and the only way he could become a demon is when he died kinda like highlander they dont become immortials untill they die, i dont wanan ruine the plot twist by telling you everything but basicley Zhyzhak is just using vince for his own ends and since vince is only a kid he cant see that Zhyzhak's using him

Life, Death and the LABNverse Cosmology

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Well I was going to talk about souls as well but since that particular power has already been dropped I'll save it for another post. So I'm just going to talk about the lands of living and the realms of the dead.

Ok so if you've read any of the posts regarding Kate's attempts at resurrecting Emma you'll realise I've been going on about the 'Great Divide' (i.e. Death, it's not a subtle metaphor I grant you) and the cost involved in bringing someone back across it.

Why did I call it 'The Great Divide' rather than say 'The Veil'? Simply because 'The Veil' suggests something tenuous and easily breached whereas 'The Great Divide' suggests something far more difficult to cross, and that in essence is my concern about Vince's ability to hop between the Lands of the Living and the Realms of the Dead.

Now before I suggest a solution to this particular problem I'm going to follow a tangent and discuss the LABNverse cosmology as I see it. Since our primary inspiration is the Whedonverse (and yes I am enjoying throwing all these 'verses around...) I'll look at that first.

In the Whedonverse (;)) we see lots of Hell dimensions. Our heroes have at one time or another visited a few and probably seen a few more. One of the critical aspects of these dimensions is that you don't have to die to go there, equally coming back is more a matter of finding the right portal rather than being brought back from the dead. Even in the case of major characters being punished in Hell dimensions this didn't involve those characters dying first.

On that basis I suggest that every dimension we've seen in the Whedonverse (woo-hoo got another one in!:)) actually resides in the Lands of the Living and as such is on the same side of The Great Divide as Earth is.

There has already been discussion on the board about what happens to a person's soul when they die in the LABNverse. The general consensus seems to be that you go to a place determined by your subconscious beliefs. Considering the plurality of belief structures this suggests a plurality of destinations. I submit that these destinations form a set of interlinked dimensions on the other side of The Great Divide, so that the Lands of the Living and the Realms of the Dead are twisted mirror images of each other.

In fact I'll go further and say there is an appropriate (or not so appropriate) destination for any and every creature that can die up to and including gods. How do you resurrect a dead vampire? You invoke a ritual as bloody as anything you can conceive of and pull the vampire's essence back across the Great Divide (Generally this involves the blood sacrifice of those humans who were closest to the vampire when it died but there are other ways) In fact if you're willing to pay the price you can bring back just about anything.

This then brings me back to Vince and my 'solution' to the concern I have. I don't mind Vince having the option to use a specific plane or even the whole Realm if Jamie wants as bolthole etc but nothing and I mean absolutely nothing comes back with him without Vince paying the appropriate price in blood and pain.

The other option is of course that Vince doesn’t access the Realm of the Dead at all but a specific dimension on the living side of The Great Divide. In which case Vince can bring anything he wants back (assuming there’s anything there worth having :))

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James_Connor wrote:
but i gotta insist that vince keeps his human form becuase a later part in the story it turns out that the creature Zhyzhak never gave vince his powers ,vince was born with them and the only way he could become a demon is when he died kinda like highlander they dont become immortials untill they die, i dont wanan ruine the plot twist by telling you everything but basicley Zhyzhak is just using vince for his own ends and since vince is only a kid he cant see that Zhyzhak's using him

That would be a 'plot-driven' reason why he has a human form and makes sense. My complaint was with demons with a human form for no discernable reason I could fathom.

Re: Life, Death and the LABNverse Cosmology

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Marcus wrote:
This then brings me back to Vince and my 'solution' to the concern I have. I don't mind Vince having the option to use a specific plane or even the whole Realm if Jamie wants as bolthole etc but nothing and I mean absolutely nothing comes back with him without Vince paying the appropriate price in blood and pain.

The other option is of course that Vince doesn’t access the Realm of the Dead at all but a specific dimension on the living side of The Great Divide. In which case Vince can bring anything he wants back (assuming there’s anything there worth having :))

It would however give him access to those spirits who had crossed over for interrogation and such. I agree about bringing them back. There must be a price paid by someone...perhaps he can only bring out what he takes in. An exchange.

Just an idle thought...

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CryingKnight's picture

Well I'm happy with both of those thoughts.

I can hardly argue against Vince being able to interrogate the dead can I and as for taking something or someone to trade for whatever he wants to bring back seems reasonable as well

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edited version

Demon

Male

Vincent De La Rocha

Vincent, Vinnie, Vin, kid

18th March, 1989 - UNKNOWN

DESCRIPTION:
He is tall, lightly tanned and of medium build with brown hair and blue eyes. His demon form is that of a tall horned skinny demon , the skin colouration on the demon is that of purple, white and black in different variations throughout his body

(Vincent is played by
vincents history remins unchanged he still knows noting of who his mother was and why she abandoned him
BACKGROUND:
Vincent was abandoned at birth and was raised in an orphanage run by catholic nuns. He was always the problem child and when anything went missing he always got the blame. As a result he was often punished, some times it was only a few Hail Mary’s, other times it was physical or even mental torture.

Because he was possessed by a demon (or that’s what the nuns said) his powers were obvious at a young age. It started off as pencils moving by themselves then onto heavier items. Vincent finally ran away from the orphanage but not before crushing the Mother Superior under the statue of the Virgin Mary.

He was a street kid until the age of 13, running errands for the local drug dealers, pimps and anyone else who would pay him. He eventually got into a really bad crowd of vampires who pretty much made him their personal blood bank. They fed from him anytime they wanted and sent him to do whatever they wanted. He finally met James when the vampires he was living with attacked James in the street because the leader knew his past. James took out most of the vamps and was about to be killed him until Vincent staked the lead vampire. James took a liking to the kid and James been looking after him ever since.

POWERS/ABILITIES:

Telekinesis ~
Vincent has the power to move and levitate objects using only his mind. He doesn’t have to be looking at the object but it helps. He mostly uses his hands to control the motion of the object, his newley found demonic powers have increased his powers to the point where he no longer needs his hand device to fully master his telekinesis he just needs to shift into his demon form to reveil his full potential

Telepathy ~
Vincent has very limited Telepathic powers he can only read thoughts that people are openly broadcasting e.g. like what they are thinking and thinking about hard like someone is thinking I’m going to kill that woman and it is in the front of there mind he will be able to read it but if they are repressing it he cannot read it. He also has the ability to release the fear hormone in most creatures but just because a creature is scared does not mean it still won’t rip you apart.

The only new powers Vincent as really acquired with his newly found demonic form is that of inhuman strength and regeneration although his mystical regeneration is tied to weather or not he feeds on a beings life force which quickly brings me to his next power, Vincent can only survive in the living realm if he devours the life force of other living creatures with every life he eats he gains in health and power but his metabolism burns up the souls faster than he can consume so his strength is never really excides his natural abilities, the reason the life force dissipates so quickly is because the creature who gave him his demonic powers also feeds on the same life force as Vincent with eat soul taken Vincent feeds on only a little part of the soul as most of it is transferred to the creature Zhyzhak(becuase of a binding ritual that intertwined there feeding habbits), two powers Vincent is not aware of yet is the ability to Sip on a persons life force rather than totally consume it sipping on a persons life force allows for Vincent to gain nourishment from a victim but not acutely to kill them the process of sipping usually leaves the victim unconscious and wakening up with a rather bad head ache, another power that Vincent is not fully aware is that of his ability to shift between the realm of the living and the realm of the dead this power is a very dangerous one because once in the realm of the dead Vincent is no longer tied to the rules of mortality , creatures stalk the land of the dead hunting for lost souls and Vincent may one day be caught by the dark hunters as they are known to the lost souls in realm of the dead , the realm of the dead looks exactly like living realm but more twisted and dark this is where the lost souls go all the ghosts, wraths and other such unlucky spirits
ITEMS:
Vincent owns a large wardrobe and a very special item that was given to him by James, it’s a telekinetic hand device that significantly increases his telekinetic power.

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Reedited version

Demon

Male

Vincent De La Rocha

Vincent, Vinnie, kid

18th March 1989 - UNKNOWN

DESCRIPTION:
Human - He is tall, lightly tanned and of medium build with Blonde hair and blue eyes.

Demon - His demon form is that of a tall horned skinny demon the skin colouration on the demon is that of purple, white and black in different variations throughout his body

(Vincent is played by Leonardo dicaprio)

Vincent’s history remains unchanged he still knows noting of who his mother was and why she abandoned him

BACKGROUND:
Vincent was abandoned at birth and was raised in an orphanage run by catholic nuns. He was always the problem child and when anything went missing he always got the blame. As a result he was often punished, some times it was only a few Hail Mary’s, other times it was physical or even mental torture.

Because he was possessed by a demon (or that’s what the nuns said) his powers were obvious at a young age. It started off as pencils moving by themselves then onto heavier items. Vincent finally ran away from the orphanage but not before crushing the Mother Superior under the statue of the Virgin Mary Vincent had killed his first Person at 9 years old.

He was a street kid until the age of 13, running errands for the local drug dealers, pimps and anyone else who would pay him. He eventually got into a really bad crowd of vampires who pretty much made him their personal blood bank. They fed from him anytime they wanted and sent him to do whatever they wanted. He finally met James when the vampires he was living with attacked James in the street.
James took out most of the vamps and was about to be killed him until Vincent staked the lead vampire. James took a liking to the kid and James been looking after him ever since.

POWERS/ABILITIES:

Telekinesis ~
Vincent has the power to move and levitate objects using only his mind. He doesn’t have to be looking at the object but it helps. He mostly uses his hands to control the motion of the object, his newly found demonic powers have increased his powers to the point where he no longer needs his hand device to fully master his telekinesis he just needs to shift into his demon form to reveal his full potential

Telepathy ~
Vincent has very limited Telepathic powers he can only read thoughts that people are openly broadcasting e.g. like what they are thinking and thinking about hard like someone is thinking I’m going to kill that woman and it is in the front of there mind he will be able to read it but if they are repressing it he cannot read it. He also has the ability to release the fear hormone in most creatures but just because a creature is scared does not mean it still won’t rip you apart.

The only new powers Vincent as really acquired with his newly found demonic form is that of inhuman strength and regeneration although his mystical regeneration is tied to weather or not he feeds on a beings life force which quickly brings me to his next power, Vincent can only survive in the living realm if he devours the life force of other living creatures (or so he was told) with every life he eats he gains in health and power but his metabolism burns up the Energy faster than he can consume so his strength is never really excides his natural abilities, the reason the life force dissipates so quickly is because the creature who gave him his demonic powers also feeds on the same life force as Vincent with Each life taken Vincent feeds on only a little part of the life force as most of it is transferred to the creature Zhyzhak(because of a binding ritual that intertwined there feeding habits)

Powers Vincent is not aware of yet is the ability to Sip on a persons life force rather than totally consume it sipping on a persons life force allows for Vincent to gain nourishment from a victim but not acutely to kill them the process of sipping usually leaves the victim unconscious and wakening up with a rather bad head ache, another power that Vincent is not fully aware is that of his ability to shift between the realm of the living and the realm of the dead this power is a very dangerous one because once in the realm of the dead Vincent is no longer tied to the rules of mortality , creatures stalk the land of the dead hunting for lost souls and Vincent may one day be caught by the dark hunters as they are known to the lost souls in realm of the dead , the realm of the dead looks exactly like living realm but more twisted and dark this is where the lost souls go all the ghosts, wraths and other such unlucky spirits Travelling in the realm of the dead is different in that time is almost none existent if he shifted into the realm of the dead he could travel vast continents in mere minuets but only a few hours in the living world, another aspect of his new demon form Vincent dose not understand that he is able to change his demonic form into an even more ferocious creature no longer is his flesh soft to the touch he becomes what the reapers call there Battle form, there fingers grow talon’s new bones are a made to creature an exoskeleton long blades protrude from his arms and legs, bullets will bounce of his skin unless of a high calibre, Vince will become a killing machine

(this wont happen for a long time and even when it dose he wont be around to use it )

ITEMS:
Vincent owns a large wardrobe and a very special item that was given to him by James; it’s a telekinetic hand device that significantly increases his telekinetic power.

im still busy writing out the plot line at the moment but when i get it done ill post it up in the plot spilder thingey so all the cool new powers will make sense

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