Submitted by Heather on Mon, 12/15/2003 - 16:10
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Yep, it's that time again. Time to decide who or what we'll be structuring our main story arc around for the next season.
I know there are a few people with ideas floating around out there. The most developed one I know of is the one Kris has been working on regarding Ambrose Delancre and his new-order Watchers' Council.
This is the thread for everyone to put forth their own ideas, or comment on what's presented here until we have a Big Bad we're all happy with and can integrate our characters into for Season 4.
Happy brainstorming. :)
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He might not want it at all, but it would be perfectly consistent with the way a virus could work.
Consider what it means to turn someone evil. We all have certain dispositions that I think we all have but we do not allow much strength to - for instance, the disposition to kill without remorse when someone annoys you. It might be possible that the way the virus works is by bringing these dispositions to the forefront.
In 'evil' people however the dispositions are arranged differently. The desire to kill for fun has more strenght - what they REJECT are more altruistic dispositions. If the virus works generally by bringing 'rejected' dispositions to the front, it would allow odd things like the good Draychen.
Delancre might only be able to get a virus engineered this way - and even turning people 'evil' might not be enough to increase his allies. After all, Delancre will be smart enough to know that self-interest can still lead people to oppose him. Hell, it might even lead someone to actively oppose him with more viciousness than otherwise.
But it WOULD have the effect of giving him (potential) allies and increase the amount of chaos in those who oppose him. Remember, as a divide and conquer strategy he does not want to infect all the white hats, just some of them.
So it could be done consistently on this kind of movement. It's just that the virus will need to be either passed by direct physical contact or have a small contagous period so that 'patient zero' can spread the infection to some but not all of us.
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how would the viris effect vampires? sorry if thsi has been anserd but ive not had alot of itme to read up on everything i shall be doing that tonite :wink:
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Since vampires are dead, they can't contract the virus. The virus only goes after the living. It wouldn't have any affect at all.
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just my two cents....I dont think its a good idea to have the virus work both ways....Just turning people evil is alot more plausible
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yea i have to agree but althought turning bad guys good would be a hella fun plot to do
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Lol, thats why i suggested it. It would be a great fun to see the good turn bad and the baddies turned goodies. But if we want that to work we need to make it more plausible.
Even though it'd be fun, we need to find a way to get it to work...
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*points to his post above*
Where there's a philosopher, there's a justification. :)
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Delancre isn't a biochemist, nor (IMHO) is he likely to use mundane methods to achieve his ends. His virus is more like a Maxwell's Demon for morality.
As good thoughts come into your conciousness they are deflected back and only the Evil ones are allowed to pass. Since this is in effect a magical threat then we need magics to defeat it, but alas our magically inclined folks will all be evil. Harumph. Arrive Delancre to save the day.
It all sounds like a wonderful plan to me.
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Dave, that could work as well. Though he might use more mundane methods if those are what is available - the thought of tying it in to some of the lazarus stuff, for instance.
Though someone like me with a more dispositional approach to evil/good is tempted to ask: how can a thought be evil? "Who hasn't just idly thought about blowing up the school?" as Xander asks, before qualifying the statement with "I said idly." We all have these kinds of thoughts from time to time. It's a question of what we do in relation to these thoughts that makes our charecter good or evil.
I think the best way for it to work is as a kind of 'inhibitor.' We have certain inhibitions not to act on darker thoughts - to give in, say, to jealousy or paranoia, to shoot people that annoy us, just steal at random, and so on. This is, in fact, how I think the personality of a vampire develops. It simply removes certain learned moral inhibitions.
Which would also be why vampires aren't affected. It's not because they aren't alive - they may not be physically alive, but they still have an inner mental life. And it's the inner mental life that this sort of virus has to act on. The reason this wouldn't work on vampires is because there's really nothing there to inhibit.
Just another thought. It's similar to the 'Maxwell's Demon' approach (I would go so far as to say that both are simply different models to explain the same effect), but this could be used as a nice explanation to explain the mechanics in more detail.
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I have to go along with this idea, Adam. The way I've been invisioning it since it was brought up was that it would just sort of allow the characters to act without inhibitions. That way, it only turns the good guys bad, and not the bad guys good. That's my opinion anyway.